Corgi, Hound of the Internet ([info]sff_corgi) wrote,
@ 2008-09-12 18:41:00
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http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com
Here's yet another point against Palin - she has children. Now, before anybody faints at my apparent hypocrisy, let me remind you that she allegedly belongs to one of those parodies of Christianity wherein all souls are not children of God and equal before Her, but where the woman (i.e., 'wife') is supposed to be submissive to her husband and by extrapolation, habit and tradition, is supposed to stay at home and raise the children to also hate homosexuals, foreigners and people of other faiths up to and including Catholicism 'dwell in Christ' or some such nonsense - they certainly don't live it that way.

So how can she be this good 'Christian' wife and mother, yet be a full-time state executive or Vice President of the United States?

By being a hypocrite.

Great leadership, that.


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[info]kriscynical
2008-09-13 01:45 am UTC (link)
This.

That woman scares the shit out of me.

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[info]cscottd
2008-09-13 01:50 am UTC (link)
Sadly, most people who express such views always seem to somehow be an exception to the rules they want to inflict on the rest of us.

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[info]barsukthom
2008-09-13 03:39 am UTC (link)
And let's not forget "Being good stewards of the Earth".
What kind of stewards are they if they use up all of the resources now?
F#ckerz. They piss me off so much.

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[info]immovablemover
2008-09-13 03:13 pm UTC (link)
I really don't like Palin either, but this is ridiculous. You are smarter than this kind of thinking. Plenty of Christian women have jobs outside the home even with children, and it's not un-Christian for them to do so. The Christian ideal of a submissive wife doesn't mean a wife that is a servant, but a wife that respects and supports her husband--a marriage as a partnership. The man is supposed to be the spiritual leader of the household, but that has nothing to do with whether or not his wife has a job outside the home. Revered women in the Bible were submissive wives and rulers at the same time (Queen Esther comes to mind).

Again, I'm against Palin, I'm definitely NOT voting for her and McCain, and I'm not even a Christian (I'm an atheist). However, I think it does more damage than good to the anti-Palin side to post stuff like this because it makes you look like you are grasping at straws when in fact there are millions of perfectly legitimate reasons to question Palin's politics and leadership. This isn't one of them.

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[info]immovablemover
2008-09-13 03:21 pm UTC (link)
PS. I realize my tone sounds kind of harsh here and I promise it isn't meant that way--I'm definitely not on the attack; quite the contrary--I want to see people tackling the real issues about Palin and getting on her case about the REAL problems with her ideas and her leadership. I just think it's below the belt to misinterpret her religion and then pin it on her--and below-the-belt attacks really drain away at credibility. I don't want the anti-Palin camp to devolve into such attacks BECAUSE they have so many good points to make and I really want people to hear them when they make them! Hope that makes sense.

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[info]sff_corgi
2008-09-13 03:40 pm UTC (link)
I'll leave the real leadership issues to those who have done the proper research on them - Goddess knows I haven't, I won't really need to unless I have questions.

This was as much to get that blog URL out there as anything - some of the responses there are amazing.

What I can do is look at Palin from the position of someone who went to an evangelical prep school for six years, where I had problems with their hypocrisy and inherent sexism there and then. We're not talking real Christianity, Tori - it's this turn-of-last-century pastiche that was made up almost whole cloth in tent meetings. Sure, there are plenty of believers who really do live Christian lives through and despite of it, but it's not what they teach. A lot of them don't understand this leadership thing is supposed to be mutually supportive and on a spiritual level (which I don't understand that point, either, still) - they still believe women are chattel. REALLY believe.

This comes from the same place as 'How can George Bush say he's a Christian then allow all those people to die?' Fill in your own blank there whether I mean Iraqi civilians, U.S. soldiers, or American women and children in bad neighbourhoods for all the reasons bad neigbourhoods bring.

(You're not harsh, you're Tori Being Challenging! [hug])

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[info]immovablemover
2008-09-13 03:51 pm UTC (link)
A lot of them don't understand this leadership thing is supposed to be mutually supportive and on a spiritual level (which I don't understand that point, either, still)

Yeah, I don't understand that point either--I think there are lots of problems with Christianity, whether it's crazy-revival-tent-Christianity or totally Biblical by-the-book Christianity (but I guess that's not a surprise from someone who doesn't believe in God!).

Fair enough; I can honestly say I haven't met anyone who really believes and practices this kind of Christianity--the church I grew up in encouraged equality between men and women and so do my Christian friends (all of whom are wives that work outside the home). I don't know enough about Palin's belief system to know that she's a member of this misogynistic breed, but your point is well taken and makes your original post a lot clearer.

Personally I think Christianity makes a terrible basis for political decisions, which is why I don't like Palin (or Bush). I don't care for Obama either, but Sarah Palin is making me very seriously consider voting for him. We'll see.

[hugs] Thanks for being thought-provoking. :)

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Okay, I'm convinced.
[info]immovablemover
2008-09-19 12:44 pm UTC (link)
I'm a big fan of the Objectivist blog NoodleFood and subscribe to their RSS feed on my LJ friends page. Today they posted this entry about the misogynistic brand of Christianity you referenced in this post. I thought you might like to see the blog post, and furthermore I wanted to tell you that I stand corrected--I just had a hard time believing that Christians out there REALLY think this "a woman's place is in the home" garbage--I guess I'm lucky never to have encountered such a Christian. I'm still not convinced (haven't seen any evidence) that Palin herself is a part of this breed of Christians, but it's bad enough that the evangelicals are supporting her. Yikes. Every day she is pushing my vote more and more toward Obama (never thought I'd say that).

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Re: Okay, I'm convinced.
[info]sff_corgi
2008-09-19 06:03 pm UTC (link)
See, this is part of the stress that nearly killed me (metaphorically) in high school -- they kept telling me in so many ways You Are Wrong, yet lived this unconscious hypocrisy themselves.

Bob and Barbara Crandall, whereever you are, I salute your partnered integrity in the face of what they put you through, too.

(Didja see the links I left for you upstream?)

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Re: Okay, I'm convinced.
[info]sff_corgi
2008-09-19 06:09 pm UTC (link)
P.S. The only 'good' version of the Bible, according to them, is the King James. Forget all the archeological/linguistic experts who can give you point-by-point dissertations on how flawed and skewed the translation is; forget that the style of language is inaccessible to especially younger generations now who think R U GHEY? LOLOLOLOL is proper English. Anybody using another version of the Bible is WRONG and therefore suspect.

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[info]proudofthefish
2008-09-14 01:48 am UTC (link)
You know I am struggling with this too because i want to focus on the issues not the personal lives, but it does make it hard. I will post more about this on my journal later.

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[info]mnenyver
2008-09-14 05:31 am UTC (link)
Today I'm comfortably and kindly atheist, but years ago I did attend a church (probably exactly) like the one Sarah Palin belongs to. I met so many Sarah Palins. The idea that she might set any kind of policy for the US disturbs me deeply. The more I read about her, the more I worry.

I have no idea how Palin, or any of these so-called evangelical Christians rectify what they preach with what they do. They lie repeatedly and knowingly. They deliberately hurt people. They advocate war, justify torture, and tell the poor to fend for themselves. In short, they are the very definition of anti-Christian. This leaves me with only two possible explanations: they lie to themselves or they're insane. I really wish groups like http://www.sojo.net were more well-known so that it would counteract all this craziness.

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